I’ve been thinking a lot about relationship maintenance e.g all the work that goes into keeping a relationship going. Surprising no-one, it’s often connected to invisible labour and gendered dynamics in domestic coparenting so it’s right up my street to explore 🕵️ What are your relationship maintenance strategies? Let me know in the comments!
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The Mental Load by Emma*: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/689/9781609809188
Fair Play by Eve Rodsky*: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/689/9781529400212
Tomorrow Sex Will Be Good Again by Katherine Angel*: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/689/9781788739207
CHAPTERS
00:00 – Intro
00:46 – “You’re telling me I actually have to work on my relationship?”
02:52 – “The system is fucked!”
04:16 – “You should have asked!”
07:24 – “You’re so much better at it than me!”
09:50 – “Leo Tolstoy was a productivity guru!”
12:02 – “What, you want me to use a condom?”
14:01 – “Is there such a thing as free choice under patriarchy?”
15:39 – “Sending you this video is labour!”
18:41 – Outro
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Lov this!💗👌
Thanks for this video Hannah, after I watched it I watched it again with my partner and it led to a really healthy conversation between us. I think being aware of mental load before it leads to resentment is so important. Thanks x
I love the 2012 movie Hope Springs with Meryl Streep. Its Divorce Movie, Relationship Maintenance and Rom Com All at one and sports fantastic actors!
In my relationship I have to admit it’s the other way round. I‘m very clumsy and grew up in a home where there wasn’t much cooking, while my bf’s mum cooked a lot and he is a bit older and so he lived by himself for a longer time. We don’t live together, but I spend every weekend at his apartment and have a lot of my clothes there. He usually cooks, or we do it together, because when I do it alone I often make mistakes and it takes at least twice as long. And when we do it together he sometimes gets frustrated, because I don’t just do something and always have to ask. I also try to do some chores, but often I forget and only do them when he asks me to. I really try to improve myself and I think it will get better once we live together. And since I realized that acts of sevice is a very important love language of my partner I am working on it even more.
Our love life is also not so usual. My drive is much higher than his. Maybe there is some kind of connection between those things, because I read that the reason women often aren’t in the mood is because they don’t feel appreciated enough because the man doesn’t help enough.
What I love, is when my dad forgets to add the tablet and then uses the phrase, " but you only told me to load it! " Usually mom's withering stare is all it takes for him to remember the next time to put the tablet in.
As always brilliant video and thanks for the education Hannah!!!😍
The header on this is epic!
I do remember how teachers (often women) might make a remark like "ask you're mum when she's doing the laundry what she uses" for me to be like "but my dad does the laundry" and little things like being the odd one out since we planned out the shopping list anyway (when among my class mates it was apparently normal for mum to come up with the shopping list and Dad to go and get it) and generally a lot more communication about needs and wants being freely aired and us all getting involved in big projects and various jobs around the house (at the planning and acting stage), at one point someone explained why it was different in our family to a lot of my classmates as "its just English culture, Irish families do things differently" (for context in my hometown growing up I was considered an immigrant because my extended family lived in other towns and my Dad's side are of Irish descent so I was considered an Irish immigrant, granted when I got to uni I discovered the Irish community saw me as English so I guess I fell into that awkward middle ground) obviously this is wrong.
So that has left me wondering, feminism has a bit of an image problem (at least in certain circles) that it's an ideology of making the man do all the work in the relationship and still expecting him to finance the whole thing (then dump him and take his kids and use them to keep extracting his money from him), but obviously with people like your good-self it's clear to see that there are plenty of feminists who are good, kind and (as you mentioned with the undervaluing of jobs seen as "women's work" like nursing and teaching) can see how the Patriarchy hurts men to, so is there a good way of helping overcome this negative image?
Yes👏Hannah👏say👏it👏
Thank you for this😊🤗
"Sending this video is labour!" – YES! Great video, thank you very much, Hannah
O_o that sticker chart oh my. I think it is also possible for a partner to think they are carrying an equal mental and physical load–so it's not bad to check in once a month and see what people are actually doing. Obviously, illness or difficult projects at work or something should exempt a partner from having to carry that load, but if no one is doing anything, the habitat becomes unlivable.
Why am I getting so angry?🤔😅
Thanks for talking about this issue(s) ❤️
Growing up, my mum always said that with regard to housework and planning, "men just don't think about those things". While I'm aware that that's a very generalised and sexist way of looking at it, I do worry that even if I sit down and talk to my partner about chores and relationship maintenance, his defence will be "well I just hadn't thought of that", in which case I will be forced to continue carrying the mental load of reminding him or teaching him. I guess I'm just concerned that the weaponised incompetence is real incompetence, in which case, how to I navigate that without becoming my partner's surrogate parent/teacher?
If anyone wants to learn a bit more about the mental load or weaponised incompetence in a funny and entertaining way I recommend checking out the podcast Ladies & Tangents (they’re on YouTube, Spotify, etc)
I have a hard time figuring out how much of this problem is societal conditioning and how much is my (male) partner's ADD when it comes to this kind of dynamic. I want to try Fair Play, but the C and P parts I feel are particularly challenging with ADD. We both want an equal partnership, but it's so much easier when the person who is less good at/cares less about domestic labor is a woman. That's how it was with my parents, so I naively thought I would never have this problem. Does anyone else have any thoughts about how neurodivergence plays into this? Or tips?
Enter Patriachy, MMM, also enter Mental Health Issues I think.
I for one am very grateful to both my parents and grandparents for showing a good example of communication based relationship dynamics and that if you dismiss your spouses domestic work, getting soaked with the contents of a 1.5l soda bottle is one of the possible consequences 🤣
Yes! Got married 3mths ago. Working on this is so important and I've been appreciating novels such as Julia Quinn's Bridgiton and the Little Women series by Louisa May Alchot
Saving this video in a play list if I might need it in the future!
I find with me and my husband we’re getting better at going ‘ Igbo make a start on this can you do this etc’ … the only time I get frustrated is when I’m having a disability related day in bed ( bc I can’t move/ think/ process) and nothing is done … and he knows full well that that would help me once I feel better.
I have so much hope for the next generations of women as they learn the mistakes we made not challenging these issues while ‘having it all’ and almost killing ourselves doing so! So we’ll articulated Thank you!
Thanks for making this video Hannah it’s validated a lot of my feelings about my relationship and made me realise I’m not going mad! It’s super difficult at times having these conversations as my partner is autistic and doesn’t always pick up on signals or understands why I’m feeling upset about unfair work loads etc. Will definitely show him this video!
Really interesting video! Something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. One thing I read related to the weaponised incompetence point is that women are much more harshly judged than men they live with regarding the tidiness,/ cleanliness of their home or organisation skills. So, because they’re aware of that, their standards are often higher to combat the risk of social stigma, which also contributes men being like ‘it doesn’t need to be that tidy’ and women giving up and doing it themselves. Another depressing element to the whole sorry tale 😭
Thanks!
AWESOME VIDEO 💜💜💜 EVERYONE should watch this 💜💜💜 NOW 💜💜💜
Hannah, have you ever talked about attachment styles and how to make it work when you're with someone with a very different manifestation of attachment and/or relationship maintenance?
Lady, we live in a matriarchy.. not in a patriarchy. You said it yourself: By and large women take charge of the Conceiving, the Planning, and the delegating of Execution. That is what bosses do. Women are in charge. In many instances women even do the majority of child rearing — they train and teach the next generation how to be in the world. Women are in charge. Maybe you don't want to be in charge, and there are ways for you to relinquish that authority, but as things stand, you are in charge.
Lady, value your own time more. You teach him that you are better at it, by caring more about it. Care less. By caring too much and taking over, you untrain his independent thought. Let him do it, and let him fail, and let him figure out how he does it best. If you care how your T-shirt is folded, or you care how tidy it is when the neighbours visit, you will end up doing it. So care less. Let him care.
This conversation becomes so different when you’re dealing with one partner with inattentive ADHD and the other with a physical disability 😂
I love being single!